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  • Alex C.
    Alex C.
    JUST GOT ACTUALLY-ED!
    Comments: 157

    Some guy: Master of Disguise is the worst movie from an SNL cast member ever!

    Me: Not even in the top 15.

    Pat: It’s ME!

  • happymel2
    happymel2
    Fighting Steffi Love
    Comments: 177

    I think it would be seen as acceptable until maybe 2015. Also, this looks worse than Superstar but I haven’t actually seen “It’s Pat” so maybe you’re right. 

    • the_desert
      the_desert
      Bat Hero
      Comments: 83

      Why did you put the cutoff at 2015? Just curious.

      • happymel2
        happymel2
        Fighting Steffi Love
        Comments: 177

        Well, at least personally, 2015 seems to be when being politically correct became VERY important or maybe my college classes just put a big emphasis on it.

        • Goldstar
          A Real Turtles Fighter
          Comments: 35

          “It’s Pat” is in no way politically incorrect. It would only be deemed so be folks who don’t know the difference between androgyny and transgender. To be clear, Pat isn’t a woman transitioning into a man or vice-versa; he/she is a person of indeterminate gender whom everyone else is unclear what sex she is. In Pat’s mind, she’s completely normal.

          • Silverstar
            Just might make the CUT
            Comments: 48

            Yeah, Pat actually has a clear-cut gender, and is not experiencing any “issues” in that regard. The “joke” is that everyone else (including the audience) has no clue what Pat’s gender is. The only exception is Chris, who has a similarly androgynous appearance and mannerisms. Each time Pat’s gender is about to be revealed, the camera cuts away or the sketch gets interrupted by a special report or something, leaving the “joke” intact.

            -Needless to say, it was a one-joke idea and it didn’t lend itself to an hour-plus movie.

        • Silverstar
          Just might make the CUT
          Comments: 48

          I’m generally a nice, polite, open-minded person, I’m all for fairness and equality and diversity and representation for everyone and all that good stuff, but I don’t give a crap about Political Correctness. Enjoy what you enjoy, don’t concern yourself with what other people think you should enjoy. As long as you’re not breaking any laws or deliberately hurting or offending others around you, just do what you do, at least that’s always been my personal philosophy.

          • ithinktoomuch
            Old Man
            Comments: 1

            Ridiculously lng comment follows. Sorry, but I’ve been thinking about these issues for a while. Who knew I’d voice them in re: a crappy waste of cinema like the “It’s Pat” movie? Life is weird.
            The It’s Pat sketches fall into what I call the “humor of discomfort” genre. As a general rule, I’m not fond of the genre as it mines laughs from the behavior of people I think are better empathized with than laughed at.
            Two good examples are “Fawlty Towers” and “Keeping Up Appearances” from Britain. As outrageous as Basil Fawlty’s actions are, I can’t laugh at them (and by extension him), as I see a guy who just wants his business to run smoothly, but doesn’t have great skills at dealing with the unexpected and gets little or no support from his staff (and wife) who don’t share his commitment. Yes, he handles things poorly, but ultimately he’s just trying to succeed at something meaningful to him in the face of his own limitations and the inconsiderateness of others. Hyacinth Bucket in Keeping Up Appearances is a woman with severe self-esteem issues who tries to build herself up through maintaining the illusion of being of a higher class than she is. The humor is supposed to come from her pretensions constantly being exposed and undone…and though people like her can be incredibly annoying, I find them less a source of humor than people to be empathized with and told “hey, you don’t have to impress me, you’re acceptable as you are.”
            In the It’s Pat sketches, I think we’re supposed to laugh at the discomfort of the people who are struggling to find a way of dealing with Pat without offending him/her. As with Fawlty and Bucket, I don’t find that terribly funny. These are people attempting to be sensitive and respectful to another person — trying to be good people — without clear knowledge of what will be taken as offensive by Pat. At the time the sketches were written, those characters’ concerns were primarily just trying to avoid giving personal offense — 20+ years later, the concerns are far bigger, as any offense given would, in today’s world, likely be interpreted as transphobia (despite the fact that Pat is not trans-). The It’s Pat sketches wind up being (IMO) anti-sensitivity by suggesting that it’s wrong or dangerous to ask about what you don’t understand and anti-gender fluidity by suggesting that one should always presume defensiveness or hostility as the only (or at least default) reaction from anyone you might respectfully ask about their preferences for being addressed and regarded.
            Of course, the counter-argument could be made that people should abandon all categories re: sex and gender and treat every individual as wholly unique…but that’s simply not humanly possible. The whole humans have nouns in our languages it to make life navigable by establishing categories — otherwise, every time you wanted to eat lunch, you’d have to say “now where can I find a non-permeable plane running approximately parallel to the floor and suspended at a height that will hold my plate at mid-torso level while I sit” rather than looking for “a table.” We could (and SHOULD) certainly expand our RANGE of categories and nouns to deal with more complex categorization needs like gender, but we should never pretend that we can just do away with the need for nouns.
            There’d be some real humor and meaning in the sketches if it turned out that Pat wouldn’t be offended in the least by a mis-identification of her/his sex and said “Don’t sweat it, happens all the time, I don’t get why everyone makes such a big deal about not asking. I’m not THAT thin-skinned.” But of course, the exact opposite is always suggested — no matter how innocuously or unintentionally Pat adds to the confusion, every response seems to heighten the tension and raise the stakes for giving offense.
            The message of the It’s Pat sketches is that if you try to be respectful and sensitive in the modern world, you’re “damned if you do, damned if you don’t.”
            That said, horrible movie, and I agree with Brad that everything is made more complicated by the fact that the Pat character is just a repugnant person.

  • Goldstar
    A Real Turtles Fighter
    Comments: 35

    This was post Wayne’s World. After Wayne’s World became an unexpected success at the box office, Lorne Michaels tried to repeat that films success by turning several SNL sketches into movies. Unfortunately, trying to turn a five minute skit into ninety minute movie is almost always a terrible idea. The visible strain to keep it interesting and to keep those jokes coming rings louder than the plot. “It’s Pat” wasn’t even one of the better SNL sketches, so I don’t why Lorne thought this would work. Same deal with The Ladies Man and Superstar. Thankfully, this trend came to an end before we got a Mango movie.

  • Silverstar
    Just might make the CUT
    Comments: 48

    Glad to know I’m not the only one who couldn’t stand Mary Catherine Gallagher; I would always switch to something else whenever one of those sketches came on. Needless to say, I never bothered trying to sit through Superstar. I always thought Cheri Oteri and Ana Gasteyer were funnier than Molly Shannon anyway.

  • the_desert
    the_desert
    Bat Hero
    Comments: 83

    When I was in high school I went over to my friends house and he was watching this movie. He rented it. I stayed for 20 minutes at most. To this day I wonder why he chose to pay money to see this movie.

    The other day I was actually thinking about this movie. Specifically: “That movie would never get made today.”

    Oh wow! Stewart Saves His Family! That’s the movie where Al Franken quit Hollywood and became a U.S. Senator! I called his office this weekend.

  • Troggyman
    Troggyman
    Bat Hero
    Comments: 86

    Say what you want of the film, but Dave Foley looked adorable as a trans person.

    • Goldstar
      A Real Turtles Fighter
      Comments: 35

      Not to nitpick, but Chris and Pat are androgynous, not transgender. They’re not the same thing.

      • Troggyman
        Troggyman
        Bat Hero
        Comments: 86

        That seems to be the idea, but not execution.

        • Goldstar
          A Real Turtles Fighter
          Comments: 35

          Not “seems to be”; it is. I take it you’ve never seen any of the SNL sketches where it clearly states that Pat is an androgynous figure. It even says so in the skit’s theme song, “It’s time for androgyny, here comes Pat!” You can believe whatever you choose to believe, but the fact is the sketch was never about being transgender. Pat knows exactly what sex he/she is. It’s everyone else who’s confused by it.

  • Laserface
    Laserface
    I'm THE BEST!
    Comments: 103

    A boy or a girl? It’s Pat, no one cares. It’s not a very good character.

    Dave Foley certainly has experience playing these types of characters, thanks to Kids in the Hall. I think he pulls it off very well. So well in fact the cast and crew of KitH were excited to see what characters he’d play next, and get disappointed if it wasn’t a female character.

    I think it’s safe to say the only good SNL movies are Wayne’s World and The Blues Brothers.

  • lunabuna
    CUUUUT
    Comments: 67

    I loathe gross-out humor, so I probably would’ve loathed this movie. And I think you’re right. I think all the fun is on the people bouncing off Pat, not Pat herself. To focus on the character herself so much kinda ruins things. :\

  • penpaninu
    penpaninu
    CUUUUT
    Comments: 71

    One of the SNL skit movies I never saw! and will never see! I still think “Ladies man” movie was worse than “Superstar.”

  • CyborgPrince
    CyborgPrince
    I'm THE BEST!
    Comments: 106

    I haven’t seen many of the Pat sketches, but the ones that I did see I didn’t really find that funny. I mean, it’s a one note sketch that gets rehashed over and over. Who thought it would be a good idea to give this character a feature length film? There’s a reason why Wayne’s World worked, and that’s because Wayne has a character beyond ‘what’s this person’s gender’? You can work with that. Here, I’m pretty sure the writers didn’t know what to do with the character, and so decided that making a character obnoxious = funny.

    I can see why this movie often finds itself on lists of the worst movies ever made. I know I’d likely hate it. Most of it seems to be either gross-out humor or cringe comedy, and I usually can’t stand the latter unless it’s done very well. I have to give Dave Foley credit, though. He genderbends pretty well. This is probably why he was the one that usually played the female characters on Kids in the Hall. It’s a shame his career will always have this movie as part of it.

    You’re right though. Charles Rocket is probably the only entertaining part of the movie. Is that how you suckered Brad into watching this movie? Did you convince him it was a lost episode of Tequila and Bonetti?